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Arnie
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Re: why ????

Post by Arnie »

Hi Bill,

never having been to the country where their number one pastime is slaughtering defenceless animals in front of a huge cheering crowd, I cannot comment on your observations on the medical or hygiene system, but it would not surprise me! Where is the EU Commission and all their other ludicrous rules and regulations. I KNOW going down the tube. Cannot happen fast enough.

It seems to me that all empires eventually fall, and these patched together associations of nations, which are created, usually AFTER a major calamity, like a war, first the League of Nations, lasted something like 10+ years. The United Nations nearing it's 'use time date'. This useless organisation, don't get me wrong there are some parts which are useful, like UNICEF and some other parts of it, but then we have the UN Human Rights, totally useless toothless tiger. The UN Refugee org (whatever their ACRONYM is) should not be allowed to dictate rules to the member states because most of them completely ignore their rules. Talking about 'toothless tigers' UN Peacekeepers are a laughing stock.

All these tinpot states which have a right to be members shouldn't have been allowed in if they had any smell of corruption tied to their country, their vote goes to the highest bidder. I know this is virtually impossible as EVERY state Government is corrupt.

Then we have the Common Market, which morphed into the European Common Market and then the European Commission. Who in Hell devised this organisation and it's constitution is beyond me.

However many member states they have, currently 26 or 27, have one un-elected member on the Commission, which is the all-powerful decider of policies. The EU Parliament is simply a tax-payer funded, gravy-train, used to rubber stamp the decisions of the Council. The sooner it goes to the wall the better off the people of Europe will be.

I understand why most of the Civil(laugh) Services, particularly the UK civil service, are mainly remainers. In the EU their job is done for them by the huge bureaucracy in Brussels, all they have to do is copy what is dictated to them by this bureaucracy and Bob's Your Uncle. If Brexit happens they have to start doing WORK again. Simple, and I don't see why this is not known by the people????

Rant over!!!

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Post by Bill Bentley »

Arnie,

how very sad that I am in full agreement with your analysis. What a bloody mess !

I received a nice mail from a doctor friend in Brisbane. He tells me that Aus has only lost 100 to corona. I assume that due to the lockdown more lives have been saved by people not having RTA's. I'm keen to see the overall winter statistics and see what that tells us.

Spain has, apparently, saved a fortune on 'not paid out pensions'; it's kind of weird what statistics get collected and probably more weird how that information gets applied to 'improve' society :( :shock: :shock: :o :o

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then to Tripoli with B Sqn until Sep 1964. Left for Courses in NBC then to 7 Armoured Brigade till 1967.
Transferred to Intelligence Corps 67. First posting to Northern Ireland 67 - 70.
Singapore 70 - 71, Hong Kong 71 - 72. NI 72 - 74. NITAT (Northern Ireland Training and Advisory Team) 74 - 76. Berlin 76 - 79. Final Posting, Preston Int and Security Section. Stupidly Retired on 1 Feb 81, and emigrated to Australia.
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Re: why ????

Post by Arnie »

Bill and Y'all,

These polls and the 'statistics' that ensue should be given some serious thought about either drastically overhauling their use or scrapping them altogether. Surely the people in power have seen Sir Humphrey Appleby and his very profound explanation of 'statistics' on Yes! Minister and Yes! Prime Minister. It actually happens.

And as to the statistics uses, when I was FINCO on the Hong Kong border, information was received that the powers that be in China had a nationwide push to save rice. Each family were encouraged to use as little rice as possible during the month. They were told the more you saved the more 'points' you would accrue with the Party machine. Many people earned their 'points' and were proud of their achievement. All felt like a donkey when they were informed that the amount they had lived (starved on) for the month was now to be their ration. Socialism/Communism at work?????

Arnie :D :D :D :D :D :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

By the way the figure for Australia has crept over 100 but I don't think it has reached 105 yet (I could be wrong).

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Over the last 10/11 weeks, in England.
It now appears we have 2 types of people. Selfless and Selfish. Those who care and those who don't.

Mass gatherings in parks, beaches and beauty spots. With no distancing and leaving all the trash, broken bottles empty cans, and so on.
Worst still starting camp fires. leavin used bbqs, that have started large fires on the fells and around beauty spots all over the country.

The selfless are left to clear up the mess left behind, and the fire service are having to spend days and even weeks to put these fires out. Thus putting other peoples lives at risk. when the fire service are so stretched it takes longer to attend accidents,house and other emergencies.

The selfish just go home and don't give a damn. And moan like hell when the council taxes increase to pay for the services they abuse.

I never used be a moaning old git. but these selfish BASTARDS get my back up.

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Over the last 10/11 weeks, in England.
It now appears we have 2 types of people. Selfless :D and Selfish :twisted: . Those who care and those who don't.

Mass gatherings in parks, beaches and beauty spots. With no distancing and leaving all the trash, broken bottles empty cans, and so on.
Worst still starting camp fires. leaving used bbqs, that have started large fires on the fells and around beauty spots all over the country.

The selfless are left to clear up the mess left behind, and the fire service are having to spend days and even weeks to put these fires out. Thus putting other peoples lives at risk. when the fire service are so stretched it takes longer to attend accidents,house and other emergencies.

The selfish just go home and don't give a damn. And moan like hell when the council taxes increase to pay for the services they abuse.

I never used be a moaning old git. but these selfish BASTARDS get my back up.

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Post by Bill Bentley »

Hi John and everyone,

I'm not sure this topic belongs in this thread, but who cares.

I'm also not sure if there are only two types of people, but I certainly get your point, we are getting old. We were also once young and, dare I say, less considerate of the big picture.

Where I now live in Spain you might have noticed, in a previous posting, my derogatory comment about not only the local farmers but society as a whole being pigs, and they are ! They just leave their litter everywhere and burn their filth polluting the air that we all have to breathe and I hate them for it :twisted:.

Anyway, when I arrived here and joined the dog walking group they thought I was mad, collecting rubbish every day as we walked our 3km jaunt. I got quite obsessive about cleaning up and I would do the route several times a day literally moving tons of mostly plastic crap. There is a good humour here and I quickly earned the nickname of WOMBIL, as in Wimbledon Common. This also got changed to GERBIL because of my attitude in general.

Do I care, NO !

It took me months to get my 3 km route almost spotless. I dislike straying off this route because I feel physically sick when I see what these pigs are doing, suffocating in their own filth.

I now live in a little cocoon of beautiful isolation, I do not enjoy going shopping and watching these 'consumers' in their orgy of buying (mostly on credit) to pig themselves evermore. I watch the birds, bees, lizards and ants, the flowers in our garden and I am concerned for their future in this horrid world of polluted air, filthy water and poisoned, chemically grown, food; thanks to the population density of the human race as a whole.

All most people are concerned with is finding a new drug to conquer corona. Still nobody thinks about what happens to human medication after it lands in the toilet and gets washed down with bleach :? . The sewage works do nothing to clean it up, it remains in the water and eventually joins all of the farmers herbicides, pesticides, fungicides and fertilizers invisibly flowing down the rivers into the seas and oceans to join the micro and not so micro plastics.

And we oldies want to be the good guys :o .

All of this plastic waste was created and thrown away during our lifetime. It was us who enjoyed driving our cars, flying on holiday and cruising around on ships. Let us not forget that when we judge the youth of today !
It is our generation that want to live to be a hundred years old, regardless of what it will cost our own children and grandchildren. Our generation have plundered this poor old planet more than any other in all of history and we couldn't give a toss about the future as long as WE have everything today.
The kids just want a bit of freedom after what has apparently been the strictest curfew of all time, worse than our parents 'Blackout' or night time curfew's during the World Wars :shock:. And they, our own kids, are being 'observed' and pursued with technology that puts the Stazi and the KGB back into the Stone Age.

Now I have confused myself, am I selfish or selfless ?

I clean up after others, have done for years, but I never went out to applaud others for simply doing their job. Doctors get paid well for what they do and they should just get on with it. Most deliverymen have doubled their wages, less traffic, cheap fuel = more drop offs. The cops often act as if they own the public, when in fact it should be the other way around, in a Democracy 8-) 8-).

I was an absolute organic self-sufficiency gardener for years and never use pollutants. Our only electricity comes from our own solar system with no transmission losses, we do not waste water and never drive unless we have to, then we always do more than one errand at a time. We fast regularly and that helps medication to do its job at a lower potency, reducing the amount needed etc..

I'm guessing there are many sorts of people, few are 'the good guys', most of us just want to think that we are on the right side, while slurping on our wine and eating our beefsteak and salmon :roll: :roll: :roll:

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Post by john kerwin »

Bill,
it's not just the young. But young, middle and old age idiots alike. they are just feral, leaving piles of trash all over the place. setting fires that kill untold numbers of wild life. When challenged by police or lay-people they just say you can't do anything. ill do what I please, (just like Mr dom cummings) And as for distancing forget it. street parties, beach parties are now the norm.

We now seem to be entering a period of lawlessness. And we have not got the police numbers to deal with this.

Here in the northwest cases of the virus are on the increase again. The westminster warriors just sit back and spout the usual Lies. And disregard the rules THEY set. (Don't do as do. but do as I say.)
Each night on TV they tell us more and more Lies, and what is the truth is usually 4, 5 or 6 weeks out of date and to late to be of any use. All hospitals, care homes etc have the PPE they need ? no they don't. Lies again.

All you old and young Hawks stay safe and well.

Rant over

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Hi John & all,

things certainly seem to be 'going sidewards' and control is certainly being lost :shock:.
I'm still not entirely convinced that 'enough Police to control things' is the right way of thinking...
In the USA it has been shown that the Police are being seen as 'the problem', though I see things differently as usual.

World wide millions of (good caring) people are demonstrating in memory of George Floyd and the damage to society this is causing is incalculable. One thing is for sure: if Corona ever was a threat the second wave will now be like a Tsunami :!: :!: :!:.

Personally I shall be totally unconcerned if all of these idiots get the bug and cough themselves to death. Not because demonstrating against the Police's misuse of authority is in itself wrong, but because of the stupidity of their tactics; endangering themselves and the wider community. This is not the same as a few people enjoying a beach party (even if they also act like scumbags). This is internationally organized subversion almost on a paramilitary scale... Wait Out :?.

I don't see quite what any authority in any country can do to regain the trust of the people, so there is a shit storm on its way :!: :!:.

Me, I have seen this coming for years, it was always just a question of what will cause the disaster. It could have been a natural catastrophe, a CME, an earthquake / volcano eruption, frost, flooding, drought, another world war, a business/ banking collapse, perhaps caused by human pollution leading to world wide starvation. Instead it is proving to be the worst case scenario of all: human greed and stupidity leading to a breakdown in society, everybody against everybody else. Businesses and banks will collapse and there will be ever more rioting. The armies will be used to police the streets of their own towns. The food industry will fail and starvation will become widespread.

Me, I have bought myself a new motorbike and I'm aiming at enjoying every nice day, as far away from the maddening crowds as possible. No doubt I shall see the smoke and smell the fires but I hope to be far away enough not to hear the screaming.

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I'll only ever take a knee for my wife and the queen.
Pinky

Arnie
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then to Tripoli with B Sqn until Sep 1964. Left for Courses in NBC then to 7 Armoured Brigade till 1967.
Transferred to Intelligence Corps 67. First posting to Northern Ireland 67 - 70.
Singapore 70 - 71, Hong Kong 71 - 72. NI 72 - 74. NITAT (Northern Ireland Training and Advisory Team) 74 - 76. Berlin 76 - 79. Final Posting, Preston Int and Security Section. Stupidly Retired on 1 Feb 81, and emigrated to Australia.
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Hi Bill,
my, but you sound as though you are really pissed off 'at the world' at the moment. As for the motorbike, unfortunately you can't go far enough, fast enough to escape the future! Doris Day's song "Que sera, sera" title says it all. You have, over the years, provided all of us on this site with all that we can do. That is offer sound logical advice within your sphere of friends and acquaintances. If we choose to ignore it that is our fault not yours. I think I have put somewhere on the site, that I have a sign hanging in my study (second bedroom) where I keep the computer, it reads "I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU, BUT THEN WE WOULD BOTH BE WRONG". I have found out that the youngsters of today, having been subjected to the indoctrination (brain-washing) by the, definitely Liberal, Left wing Professors and Teachers, who were educated themselves in the 60's, are not interested in taking advice. This, despite it being given by someone who has experience of many years. Example; my very beautiful niece-in-law is an avowed Marxist/Communist and leads or is in the forefront of all the protests going on in Sydney. She is 29 years old, just got her first job as a train-driver, despite having several university degrees, it's unionised you see. So we can expect disruption on the Sydney public transport system in the future.

Couple of years ago I had friends over for drinks on the patio. As you can imagine there were several 70, or 80 year old's all who had been in WWII or Korea, and all had great experience of life. She shouted all of them down about whatever we were discussing, because she "HAD READ a BOOK". She does not get invited to even family gatherings anymore, except at her mothers house.

She knows all about Ireland and knows better than we do, because of her reading of books. The logic of the fact that you are looking at very biased writings, either they are Nationalists Sinn Fein or IRA (Usually Catholic) or Loyalists (usually, correct that, always, Protestant), and their writings very much reflect their biases. The fact that I did 2 two year tours there counts for nothing with her, she has read a book and besides she is educated and me, I am just a thick squaddie who like them all 'follow' orders, however illegal! And Old, to boot!! My rant over.

Arnie :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

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